LAST DISCUSION ON THE CHARACTER STEVE DOUGLAS GARTIN.

    In closing this episode on Steve Douglas Gartin, my most mistrusted ex student, and most

disliked man. Someone like the character of Steve Gartin should never have been given as

much "lay way", and a freedom of playing the almighty "God" over my martial arts. In what I thought

of him then, and in what has prespired over the years - turned into my most sorriest of all endeavors

with people. THAT WAS MY FAULT AND I ALONE, SUFFERS MY OWN CONSEQUENTCES - WITH THE UGLY RESULTS, AS I HAD TO ENDURE - with this man and his associate.

   With some people, like the likes and characteristics of a "man" - such as Steve Douglas

Gartin, is distinguishly harmful, to be around in an environment of his presence and to include his

associate. Many already knew Steve's companion and associate. His asociate also in my scope,

I know where to reach him - or have a lawyer forward to him - for stop selling any dvd's, tapes or movie material, with any facial expression of my hard earned and hard trained practitioners.

    NON OF ANY OF MY 'OLD' STUDENTS WERE LIKE STEVE AND HIS ASSOCIATE - THESE TWO MEN WILL DO EVERYTHING, IN THEIR POSSIBILITY TO 'SUE' PEOPLE  - IF IT SERVES

THEIR INTENDED GREED. ASK THE FBI ( STILL HAVE  DOCUMENTS AND HISTORICAL FACTS

WHEN STEVE WAS ARRESTED IN CALIFORNIA) AND ALSO SEVERAL VISITS OF OFFICERS

FROM THOSE AGENCIES - CAME TO VISIT ME. TO ASK QUESTIONS, AND WHY, BECAUSE

STEVE DOUGLAS GARTIN WAS ASSOCIATED WITH ME AND MY MARTIAL ARTS.

    It did shamed me, and Steve has a bad failing habbit, by his nature to blame everything else,

or any other individuals for his misrable money making and adventuresome endeavors - that was

not successful - but a economic tragedy. I and several of my students, mr Keith Moffet was one

of them - we pleaded with Steve not to stick his neck out to get in DEBT. He did and later on

blamed my older brother Paul and my self - was always our fault with his "smiling" face - I hate the

most. Behind the smile is a very mistrusting individual. This is the truth in what Steve and his associate has done to me and my family and my friends. In everything else was always some

one's else mistake but never Steve's. Some of my business associates wanted to know, a

reason of my comment this evening.

   Steve by human nature is a distinguished recipient for martial arts. He WAS WITH ME IN TRAINING THAT lasted only for 4 years - he actually can claim for having studied under me.

I have others that are, by far better than Steve on blades. There is always

some one else better in life as one's own self. Even better than me many times.

Steve in his YUTUBE  tape was insulting to my skills and teachings capability. I supposed not

to be connected, well short time student, I am connected and train everyday. You on the

other hand talks, like I do only silat and you do the kun tao - I taught both, silat and kun tao.

If you were that good, how come you, Steve don't create other forms to fit your American kun tao

silat better? Why use my art instead of coming up with something new. My friend as you well

remember Neal Land, warned me about you - from his bad experience with you in business

and family. Appearingly out of the good nature of my heart, I was scared for you - well I am not

I HATE YOU.  yOU AND YOUR TRAINED LONG DISTANCE STUDENTS ARE CORDIALLY

INVITED TO COME TO KEITH MOFFET'S SCHOOL - YOU AND YOUR ASSOCIATES WILL BE MET.  I hate you so much, that you can proof to me how good you are - my "hatred" will

make my movements exessibler to me  to express my real spirit. That is what you wanted is it not

short trained student of 4 years - you are more connected than me and you are a better teacher than me? You sitting on your ass and I am still teaching. 

And you know what, many people was taught by me KUN TAO AND SILAT. Is for everybody,

you as a short trained student - what do you really know? Several other individuals are specificly trained in my art, like mr Joe Judt and others.

I don't fear you STeve  - I just HATE YOU AND CONDEMN YOU AND REBUKE YOU. 

You are untrustworthy, I face you anywhere, in court or outside the court.

That is what you have created in me - a hateful person sofar as you are concern.

This closes a chapter in one of my life's episodes with untrusthworthy ex students.

Beside you don't like our government - you don't like police men and start out on YUTUBE by

saying my fellow Americans - why, you suddenly want to be a patriot and dressed like a military and a pistol? As what I have said before, hate me, hate me, for me!

I will not hold back when it comes to someone I hate the most.

You ought to know me better by now.

This I consider an ending of a chapter sofar as the character Steve Douglas Gartin is concern,

for my business associates and a warning to all the members in kun tao silat de Thouars.

You have drained my blood as I will drain your blood.

By the way I got all those court documents out of the internet.

Even if it was years ago, still on record.

I am no longer your teacher or no longer associated with you. Stay away from me!

Quit using my name or have me on tape or any of the facial expressions of my students to promote

you business far distance learning program. This includes also Ted Garcia's.

You was never given a permission- and the contract I signed with you - is void and does not have a leg to stand on. Sofar as your claiming is concern - diplomas need to be updated.

In closing, just remember some years ago, all your posting on the discussion groups - I could

not get on. Now this is my forum and I am only commenting for my associates and no one else.

I have to becareful, in what you have done to so many people and myself?

Once an enemy always an enemy, in closing bapak Willem de Thouars.