WHO IS STEVE DOUGLAS GARTIN?

    Steve Douglas Gartin was once "upon" a time, long time ago, considered by me - as one of my

most entrusted and most valued student. Up to a point was also an excellent fighter, it was during a time when I just started to organize a group of specially trained fighters and practitioners of my art.

He did well and to my knowledge a very upright man and to my deep consideration a very close

friend and family. Then was also training hard, only for 4 years. He came to me in the late 1970's,

and after having difficulties being a manager for my old friend's, mr Niel Land Vacuum cleaning business - was also dismissed out the vacuum cleaning business endeavors. That was between him and my "old" friend, who I had met long before, Gartin came into the picture.

   Steve had won my trust, and to my griefly own mistake, I valued Steve's soul over mr Land's friendship. How wrong I was and in fact I also had plenty of warnings from a good friend, concerning Steve Gartin's mental attitude - he was able to hide from me. People like him are deceitful, cunning

and already having fabricated agendas - for their own futuristic fantazy world - in wanting to make

a pyrametic money empire for them selves. No matter what the cause. I consider this the hidden agenda - was fruitless and at the end - he ended up with nothing, sofar as my system is concern or

even regaining my trust. WE ARE FINISH AND MY REASON FOR THIS MORNING'S COMMENTARY IS - THAT STEVE HAS THE IDEA STILL TRYING TO OWN OR PUT A TRADEMARK ON HAKKA KUN TAO; EVEN KUN TAO SILAT, A NAME I CAME UP AND ANOTHER  NAME ALL ASSOCIATED WITH MY NAME AND ENDEAVORS - ALSO EVEN THAT

HAD TRADE MARKETED ANY OF THE NAMES - THINKING HE HAS A HOLD ON ME.

   This inidicates that Gartin still tries to has me in his far distance learning program, by having one of his associates managing the trademarks of webpages.  In what I had said was for Steve many chances I had given him to restore himself - after his prison terms and to make good on his life.

I thought he was my best friend, through my assuming was a grand disaster in my thinking.

I AM NOT TRYING TO THROW MY DIRTY LAUNDRY OUT IN THE PUBLIC THAT CONCERNS

STEVE DOUGLAS GARTIN - JUST MY POINT OF VIEW IN WHAT HE HAD DONE TO ME -

AS AN ENTRUSTED STUDENT AND ALSO AS A SUPPOSED TO BE BEST FRIEND.

As a friend I would never ever take any individual like him in my trust - WE ARE FIN, FINISHED,

VINITO AND UNTIL EVER LASTING JOURNEYS IN TIME - STEVE DOUGLAS GARTIN WILL ALWAYS BE MY ENEMY. HE HAS TO FIGHT ME PHYSICALLY IN MY BACKROOM

OR STUDENT'S SCHOOL - STEWARD LAUPER'S OR THE KUN LUN PAI MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOL. BUT NEVER IN MY ASSOCIATED PRESENCE ANYMORE.

   Prior before Steve started his Taping business under Thunder rock or Malabar, was warned by

many of my Senior practitioners - not to use any of them for his far learning distance program.

Steve ignored the warning and wend ahead with his own schedule. He failed me first as a business

manager. when he arranged my seminar in Texas - also blamed someone else, mainly his tax

accountant. Steve always blamed others for each of his failures and never takes his own accountability in consideration. He also had put leans on peoples property for money he never had honestly earned!! He failed himself, his family and kids and his fellow practitioners. He failed himself,

by trying to be his own lawyer. Thinking that he could be above the law. His misrable endeavors

with law enforcement brought many a visit of FBI and law enforcement officials from Golden to my house.

   In finalizing my issue with Gartin was mostly, when his associates came to serve papers to

my daughter for his taping failures in producing good tapes. He is a lousy producer.

My friends who always had supported any of my endeavors were served with papers, only to protect

his own selfishly esteem and intentful money making object.

DEMAND TO CEASE AND DESIST,   was the forwarded and threatening message to my

daughter Victoria Tallman and my friends and on my gathering - I was fully embarassed for

a 4 year long trained student to act like an "a******" in trying to own the name of my family

gathering and for his own greed. No student or any student had me signed a 'STUPID'  business

contract for life, making a promise that my granddaughter going to get a some of money.

What a grand joke, the contract looked like play money printing and thinking of me being a stupid

Indonesian teacher that is scared for anything. No Gartin I don't fear you and you still think I am your best friend?  Anyone lifting a finger like Steve against my family at home, is hereby warned - I will watch you, follow you to the extreme and eventfully we will meet - man to man.

   I have said in a special designated tape for UTUBE, and I indeed called you all sorts of names.

For doing to me what no student ever had done.  Silat tv will not allow me to do that, but YUTUBE

will and everybody can hear my spoken words.

   You Steve douglas Gartin also need to understand - that everyone trained under you is not equal

to anyone who is training or still trained under me. Your ranking system of the American kun tao silat CAN NEVER BE EQUALLED TO MY TRAINED EXPONENETS IN MY ART. I seen some of their tapes and they look horrible in comparring them with my trained leaders or even brown belts in Steward lauper or Keith Moffet school. They always can come an be tested by me and my trained leaders - in all fairness to them.  NON OF THE FOLKS ON MY LIST OF TRAINED LEADERS ARE

MOTIVATED BY LAZINESS FOR ADEQUATE TRAINING AS YOU GUIDE YOUR PEOPLE..

You are deceitful, uncaring, selfish, with a "f" you attitude that I gladly accomodate word for word and fist for fist with you. I will accept your students as part of my extended family - with the exception of you Gartin.  As long as you keep using my name in fain, will I hunt you and keep

being on your ass. You drop my name out your program and I will never speak your name again.

Besides and in the meanwhile - I have trained stronger, better motivated and much greater fighters

over you. they are in Hawaii, in Scandinavia and in other states in our Continental USA.

Even the group I am training now here in Colorado, will out endure you, outfight you and because of their constant training - have also a greater stagmina over you.

   Before even mr Gartin was trying to make me famous, my name of de Thouars was already mentioned in World History and also through my connection with the internal martial arts people.

I am still not famous and yet, over a lengthy period of time - throug hardwork and social progression

acquired a large extended family of martial arts. I shared with them, brotherhood, familyhood,

love, understanding and a caring in sharing. They are are hardworking people, don't put lean on peoples property, own leginimate businesses, are producers, writers, honest attorneys of law,

no liars but honest law obidient servers and mostly, they train even harder as you, Gartin, you can ever imagine. 

    People who are interested to know who is on my teachers list of trained leaders, can easily find

all the information through my web links; through guru John Malmo and Dr Conrad Bui.

And there are others too who have my permission to sell any tapes or dvd's concerning my system.

My main centers of information is going through Dr Conrad Bui or guru John Malmo.

   Steve is also a racisst and others who are considered my Seniors were alrady aware of him.

He not only disliked JEWS but also hate them. From my Dutch side we of the de Vries are also

part Jewish. In what he had said and shared with his mouth in words, observed and overheard by

several of the Seniors is this a sound attesment in my commentary.

   Steve after the many chances I had given him, is hereby and forgood dismissed as being my

best student and for certain will never even be  my associate anymore.

No student that I ever had known, did to me what Steven had done to me and my family.

Thinking that I was a stupid of an Indonesian teacher.

   Watch the tape on YUTUBE concerning mr Steve douglas Gartin, in what I had to say there

was also my meaningful expression about him.

In closing salam closing the book on Steven Douglas Gartin, after all he laid his own bed!

bapak willem de thouars.